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The Wildest, Nuttiest Blog Article I've Read So Far...and Another in the "Runner Up" Category
10/27/2009 - James White
I know people will say this isn't meant seriously...believe me, it is. CT is a well known figure on the net. I ran into this person on the PuritanBoard originally, defending the Comma Johanneum. Since then there have been various odd encounters here and there, but never anything like this. Click and read.
Yes, friends, not only is yours truly a "liberal academic" with a "womanishly tone" (wha?), but our intrepid blogger is able to find demons appearing in the flames of a burning NIV! Yes indeed, this is one I have to post myself. Few things illustrate the mindset of the wildest extremes of the KJV Only crowd than the picture of CT going frame by frame through a YouTube video of a burning NIV looking for faces of demons! Now, that's actually Aslan, of course, but hey, I don't want to disrupt CT's visions!
Meanwhile, tomorrow I will be on Iron Sharpens Iron with Chris Arnzen to discuss the planned book burning at the 14-member Amazing Grace Baptist Church KJV on October 31st. Chris invited Pastor Marc Grizzard to be on the program (seen here) but he pointed out that "debate" is a bad thing (citing Romans 1:29, KJV, where ἔριδος is translated as "debate" but in modern translations is more accurately rendered "strife"---if Grizzard was consistent, he'd have to condemn the Apostle Paul for engaging in public debate in such places as Acts 17) and besides, James White is a "liberal, compromiser, and a heretic" as far as he is concerned. It is so great to be loved! I wonder if any of my books will get torched Saturday night? Sadly, I wasn't on the list, but maybe now I will be!
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Burning NIVs: King James Onlyism and the Faithful Word Baptist Church
09/03/2009 - James White
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An Excellent Example of Why We Need to Think Clearly and Consistently About the Bible
09/02/2009 - James White
I received the following e-mail a few days ago through our contact link on the aomin.org website:I just want you to know straight forward this is not an attack, but,
a legitimate concern.
I've been doing a lot of research about the occult recently and I must say that the newer versions give lots of breathing room for the Isaiah 14:12 debate. Here's a link to a pro HP Blavatsky page. As you're probably well aware, HP Blavatsky is one of the HUGE names of the occult. Please read the text on the upper right of this page.
http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/luciferreprints.htm
Notice how she connects Jesus with Lucifer as being the same person. Remember that Satan said in his heart that he will ascended into heaven. Why is it that 99% of the versions drop Lucifer, son of the morning and replace it with "morning star" like the NIV or the "bright morning star" in the CEV or "daystar" in the Amplified Bible,
which is one of Jesus' titles in 2 Peter 1:19, and in Rev 22:16.
I'm sure you know how much the occult is impacting our culture these days and people in Wicca and other witch cults, and occult organizations like Freemasonry read the Bible. Being a person from a High School with several practicing witches in it, I can honestly tell you that one of these neo pagans scoffingly, said directly to me that the bible was translated from pagan sources. I quickly answered them and said, "Maybe if you read the NIV". This guy was usually argumentative, but, he had nothing to say back. Don't you see this as being a huge problem with our younger Christian people? How will they defend themselves?
You won't be able to make such an occult connection in the KJV. Again I'm not attacking you or anyone that reads the modern bible versions. BTW, I watched some of your videos with your friend LaneCH and enjoyed them.
This is one of the best examples I've seen of someone thinking with their heart, not with their head. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand someone's desire to defend the truth, but you do not translate the Bible based upon your fear that someone might misinterpret it or misuse it. The most perfectly accurate translation will still be abused and twisted by false teachers. God has not seen fit to wipe false teachers from the face of the earth, so as long as the church exists we will have to teach with clarity and refute those who contradict.
Now, here are my comments on the disputed text from The King James Only Controversy, 2nd ed., pp. 180-182:
Jerome and Lucifer
How deeply we are influenced by our traditions can be seen in Isaiah 14:12:
KJV NASB NIV How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
The term "Lucifer," which came into the biblical tradition through the translation of Jerome's Vulgate, has become so entrenched (even though it does not come from the original authors of Scripture) that if one dares to translate the Hebrew by another term, such as "star of the morning" or "morning star" (both of which are perfectly acceptable translations of the Hebrew word), one will be accused of removing Lucifer from the Bible! Such a change surely preaches well, and this example is often used as the capper to prove the true intention of the devilish modern versions.
Yet, a person who stops for a moment of calm reflection might ask, "Why should I believe Jerome was inspired to insert this term at this point? Do I have a good reason for believing this?" Given that Jerome's translation is certainly not inerrant itself, one would do well to take a second look and discover that the very translations being accused of hiding Lucifer's name refer to Satan, the accuser, the old serpent,the devil, each and every time the terms appear in Scripture. Again, the inconsistency of the argument is striking.
But, someone is sure to retort, isn't Jesus the morning star at Revelation 22:16? Yes, He certainly is. So doesn't translating Isaiah 14:12 with morning star identify Jesus with Lucifer? Aren't the modern translations trying to connect Jesus with the devil? Only if one does not read things in context very well. The person under discussion in Isaiah 14 is obviously not the Lord Jesus Christ, and how anyone could possibly confuse the person who is obviously under the wrath of God in that passage (note verse 15) with the Lord Jesus is hard to imagine. Further, aren't the terms being used in Isaiah 14 sarcastic in nature? Didn't this person claim lofty titles that were proven to be misapplied? Doesn't the Scripture speak of his pomp (v. 11) and his inward boasting (v. 13)? Should we not recognize that the terms that are applied to him in verse 12 are meant to be taunts rather than actual descriptions of his person? And doesn't this differ dramatically from the personal description that Jesus applies to himselfin Revelation 22? All of these considerations make it obvious that there is no logical reason to take offense at the proper translation of Isaiah 14:12 in the NIV or NASB.
So the issue is this: do you accurately translate the Hebrew term הֵילֵ֣ל or, out of fear of someone misusing the text by ignoring sound principles of interpretation and exegesis, insert another term to "help out"? I think the answer is clear, plain, and obvious.
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Ah, the Glories of Ruckmanism
08/01/2009 - James White
From Sam Gipp's site (ht DC):First, James White, the famous Bible-hater, put a video on claiming it was the segment of the John Ancherberg Show where Don Wilkins, of the NASV, lost his voice. It wasn't. It was a different occurrence. The one where Wilkins lost his voice was erased on Ancherberg's orders. First I did a brief YouTube video explaining that White was lying. White responded by repeating his claim. Therefore I did a second video that shows the real part of the show where Wilkins lost his voice. If White has responded I wouldn't know 'cause I really have too much to do to spend my days on YouTube. (Which makes me wonder just how much of a "ministry" White has if he has so much free time he can sit around all day making YouTube videos.) You can view these two clips by going to YouTube and searching "Sam Gipp Lost Voice" & "Sam Gipp Lost Voice 2."Though the evidence is without question to any rational observer, I do intend to post one more video, this time adding the testimony of others who were in the room at the time, to finish the case. That will make two, or three witnesses, along with documentation from more than a decade ago, plus the actual video footage, all versus---Sam Gipp's word. I know that will not convince him, nor his followers, who are immune to rational dialogue and argument anyway, but for those who are interested in the subject, it should be the last word. I do find Gipp's Ruckmanism ("famous Bible-hater," "lying" etc.) sad, but somewhat humorous as well. As most know, my schedule is non-stop, including over-seas travel and debating people Gipp doesn't even know exist, so his comments about how I have nothing better to do are really quite funny.
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Mission Accomplished!
07/30/2009 - James White
Remember how last month AV Publications (aka, Gail Riplinger) refused to send me a copy of her book, even though the person ordering it paid full price for it? Well, we got someone else to order it, and...here it is! Opened it up right to an attack on my father's godly Greek professor, Kenneth Wuest. Mrs. Riplinger is still as nutty as ever, that's for sure. I would love to see what it says about me, if anything at all, but, of course, it has no index. Brilliant. There is a lot of anti-Calvinism in the book as well. If I can hammer out a few moments I'll document some of it. More of the same, to be sure.Also received the Muraoka lexicon of the Greek Septuagint, as well as Tim Staples' series on Purgatory, which I will now get recorded and plopped on the iPod Nano (which allowed me to finish a 55 minute Carson lecture this morning while riding in about 43 minutes). Once again, many thanks to all who help the work through the Ministry Resource List!
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Gail Riplinger: Just a Bit Afraid?
07/08/2009 - James White
A few days ago I put Gail Riplinger's new book on the Ministry Resource List. It is not that I take her writing seriously--no one possibly could--but people ask questions, and this topic looked like it might possibly produce more basic errors of fact than even New Age Bible Versions. So, one of our supporters attempted to purchase the book and have it sent to me. This is what he got in response:Order Number: 2034
Date Ordered: Monday 06 July, 2009
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Dear Sir:
Thank you for your order. However, we will not fill orders for
Mr. James White.
Yours truly,
AV Publications, Corp.
1-800-435-4535
www.avpublications.com
So, do you think Mrs. Riplinger is overly confident of her new book? I am reminded of the fact that when I was writing the KJVO Controversy book in 1994, I would fax the portions about Riplinger to her for her comment and correction. One night, after the first page was sent, the fax hung up. She did not even want to receive what I was writing so as to check it for accuracy.
The self-delusional proponents of conspiracy-driven KJV Onlyism, seen with the harshest clarity in Gail Riplinger, are a blight upon the church, to be sure. Many simple believers have been troubled by their wild-eyed fanaticism. But when they will not even allow you to BUY their books, well, that tells you a great deal about what fills their hearts.
So we will need to arrange to have someone buy the book, have it sent to them, and then send it to me (at extra cost, of course). If someone wishes to do this, please let us know so that I don't end up with ten copies of this new conspiracy-laden tome. Thanks!
UPDATE: Thanks for all the offers! We have enough now. We have been chuckling in the office, wondering if Riplinger is going to just stop selling the book out of fear someone might send it to me! We can just imagine all phone sales, "That will be $40.99 including shipping...unless...well...do you know James White?"
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Ruckmanism Abounds
12/26/2008 - James White
I will be continuing my response to, and rebuttal of, Bryan and Jason on "The Covenanter's Call" radio program on the DL on Tuesday. They did another program on Tuesday evening where they said they would take calls. I listened to the program, and when they attempted to respond to Revelation 16:5, they indicated that they did not understand the point of the text. I called, but they refused to allow me to even explain the issue, let alone interact with them. They do not want dialogue, only monologue. I have made it clear they can call the DL if they wish, but I do not expect them to do so. When we chatted in our chat channel they really had no meaningful answers to the questions put to them, just, "Well, we take it by faith." There is no reasoning with that kind of thinking.One of the accusations Bryan Miller made against me, however, had to do with dealing with Riplinger and Ruckman (though he conveniently forgot to mention that I likewise dealt with D.A. Waite and many others). They said it was a "straw man" that was easily refuted to say that there are those who begin with the equation, "The King James Bible Alone = the Word of God Alone." They even said they had never met anyone who thought that way. A few days ago I posted a YouTube e-mail from a King James Only missionary in Japan, Matt Thomas. He is as true-blue a Ruckmanite as I have met, even to the point of using endless CAPS LOCK ASSERTIONS (why that is a mark of KJV Onlyists I will never know). He has written back, and has sent me a caps-lock filled missive that demonstrates for all to see that Bryan Miller needs to get out more. He repeats the endless errors of Ruckman and company ad-nauseum! Here is his missive, just as he wrote it. Those who have read The King James Only Controversy will recognize that at least 80% of this letter was fully refuted in the book (the other 20% is so silly it is hard to even know how to begin to respond to it). I hope Mr. Miller will join me on the DL sometime, as I think the correction of his errors would not only be very useful for him, but educational for others as well.
Hey James are you BORN AGAIN?
Do you HAVE ETERNAL LIFE?
Have you passed from death unto life?
Are you SAVED?
Most of my Calvinist friends can’t answer YES. Can you?
The TULIP is a FALSE system. Calvin was deceived, James.
I can SEE that the TULIP is false because I am a KJV ONLYer!
‘When I look at the verses and compare in the KING JAMES BIBLE then I can see that this following statement is incorrect:
‘We believe that God, in His sovereign grace and mercy, regenerates sinful men by the power of the Holy Spirit, not by any action of their own, bringing them to new life. God grants to them the gifts of faith and repentance, which they then exercise by believing in Christ and turning from their sins in love for God.’
James, if you come to BELIEVE THE KING JAMES BIBLE TO BE THE INFALLABLE
WORD OF GOD then you will be able to be set FREE from the TULIP. I recommend that you become a BIBLE BELIEVER immediately!!
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Why We Need to Consistently Expose False Concepts: King James Onlyism
12/18/2008 - James White
The Snare Of The Devil
You asked about 2 Timothy 2:26 in one of your debates. 'And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will'.
I am not sure exactly what you asked but this scripture stands out as I pray for you. You are a modern day Philetus, James. You have erred concerning the TRUTH (King James Bible) and you overthrow the faith of some. That is the devils work and you are in the SNARE OF THE DEVIL, held CAPTIVE BY HIM. You are actually doing the WILL OF THE DEVIL, James. The way to escape from the snare of the devil is to ACKNOWLEGE THE TRUTH. That is the WORD OF TRUTH (2 Tim 2:15)
God's written word which GLORIFIES CHRIST in 1 Tim 3:16, Col 1:14, Rom 14:10, Dan 3:25, Luke 2:33. Your attitude toward the WRITTEN WORD OF GOD determines your attitude to the LIVING WORD OF GOD.
I saw in your correspondence with Dr Ruckman that you signed off using the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST as though you are a minister of Christ? Do you really believe that you are?
I can see that you are in the SNARE OF THE DEVIL, James. You had a lot of responses to your 'ministry' (attacking the WRITTEN WORD OF GOD) right?
My response is out of concern for you, not to BEAT YOU UP but to help you get DELIVERENCE from the devils that possess you. There is deliverence in the name of Jesus and you can be set free from the Alexandrian Cult. Yes, you are in a cult. Just like Mormons and JWs, your mind is like theirs. Satan has your mind.
If you want to hook up by web cam, I can pray for you and ask the Lord and Saviour of the King James Bible to deliver you.
YOU need to get a REVELATION of WHAT the WRITTEN WORD OF GOD IS.
If I can be of any help to you, please email me.
Yours in the true and ONLY Lord Jesus Christ.
Matt Thomas
Hello Mr. Thomas:
I find your assertion that a particular version of a particular translation (in your case, either the Cambridge or Oxford editions of the 1769 Blayney Revision of the King James Version of the Bible) is to be equated, fully and without condition, with THE TRUTH to be not only grossly unbiblical (since the Bible was not written in English, and continues to exist to this day in God's providence in the languages in which it was, in fact, originally written), but to be a-historical (the Reformation, for example, took place without the KJV, and many lived godly lives long before the KJV ever appeared) and utterly irrational. But when you make belief in the KJV a part of the gospel, sir, you leap from the realm of mistaken mythology to the area of simple heresy. To make a person's relationship with Christ dependent upon a 17th century Anglican translation of the Bible is not only absurd, it is heretical.
If you would like to discuss the texts you cited (such as Colossians 1:14 or 1 Timothy 3:16), as well as some I'd like to ask you about (like Revelation 16:5), you are invited to call The Dividing Line toll free at 877-753-3341. I am doing a series on KJV Onlyism right now, so your call would fit in perfectly. The next program is this afternoon, 4pm MST, 6pm EST. I look forward to hearing from you!
James White
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Still Planning on Dealing with the KJV Only Accusations on the DL Next Week
12/13/2008 - James White
I am still trying to arrange to get the men from the KJV Only radio program I heard last week to join me on the DL, but so far...I'm getting about as far as I have with D.A. Waite and Gail Riplinger and the like. So, I will still play the program and respond to the arguments, and if the gentlemen would like to call in, that would be great. But, I don't get the feeling that the phone will be ringing off the hook.21:09:27 - Category: King James Onlyism - Link to this article -
CalciumBoy, Sam Gipp, and the Ankerberg Incident Redux
08/27/2008 - James White
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