I am rarely left without words during a debate. Peter Stravinskas did it to me in the debate on purgatory with his line, “Pay me now, or pay me later.” And in this clip from our newly completed DVD (yes, finally in DVD!), John Shelby Spong did it to me as well. I was referring to just how far out of the historical stream of Christian faith he is and I mentioned the great John Charles Ryle (1816-1900), the first Anglican Bishop of Liverpool, author of such great Christian classics as Holiness and Thoughts for Young Men (see here for his works). I will let you watch, and listen, to the result:

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