I recently listened to Patrick Madrid speaking of our 2002 debate as a “painfully obvious” example of how “unbiblical” the arguments are against the Roman Catholic perspective on the veneration of saints. So I thought I would start working through the debate itself. It is amazing how many people will proclaim someone a “winner” of a debate without actually listening to the debate itself. In any case, we went a little long (about 12 minutes).

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